Is the myth of the "Palestinian people" the main obstacle to peace?

Question

Palestine never was a country. It ´s the truth so evident and well-known that there is simply nothing to talk about. Palestine is just a new name given by Romans to the territory known in history from the time of Moses as Israel and Judah. So, technically, "Palestine" is the geographical area which included the territory of the modern Israel, Judah, Gaza, South Lebanon, South Syria and western part of Jordan. But I repeat: it never was a country. So, all the talks about "Palestinian citizenship" which lexmlo and other Pro-Palestinian guys are generously giving to anyone who asks is a fiction.

Romans changed the name of this land, but of course those who lived there remained the same. Who lived there? Demographically, they were mainly Jews and Israelis, but also Armenians, descendants of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Phoenicians, Persians as well as the Egyptians and Arabs. Religiously, the population of Palestine under Romans was mainly the adepts of Judaism. Some small part of Armenians and Egyptians were Christians. Persians were Zoroastrians. All the others, including Arabs, were Pagans. Christianity had only recently appeared, and about Islam nobody heard nothing; it will appear only 700 years later.

And anyone who lived there was, of course, a Palestinian, as anyone who lives in Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo or Croatia is a Balkanian. This is clear , or it needs some special explanation?

And the Roman veterans who stayed in Palestine after 25 years of service also became Palestinians, as well as their children and grandchildren.
And all the Persians, Greeks, Byzantians, Armenians , Arabs, Turks, Circassians, Bosnians who came to live to Palestine became after a generation or two Palestinians, although they could live in South Lebanon or in South Israel and speak different languages. The people who live in Balkans speak 27 different languages and main dialects. Someone would argue that Croatians are less "Balkanians" than Serbians?

And Jews and Israelis are no less Palestinians than any Arab. I should say they are more because, after all, it was Jews and Israelis who lived on this land longest. When an Arab comes to legally live to France or Germany, he gets the same civil rights as all the other people. But will you say he is more French or German than those who fought against his Arab´s forefathers on the side of Charlemagne?

Are all those who live now in Jordan "Palestinians"? Without any doubt. Are all those who live now in Israel "Palestinians"? Also without any doubt. It does not matter where they came from: France, Syria or America; they are here, they are the legal citizens of the countries situated in Palestine- and they are all Palestinians. And their children will be Palestinians without any hint of a doubt.

Arabs who live in the West Bank and anywhere in Palestine are Palestinians.
Israelis must understand it
Israelis who live in the West Bank and anywhere in Palestine are also Palestinians. Arabs must understand this.

But when Arabs of the West bank and Gaza, a miserable portion of Palestine, start to call themselves "Palestinians", they deny by this the right of anyone else to be a Palestinian and they present the claim on ALL Palestine. It may be not clear to Americans or Europeans or Australians, but it is very clear to any other people who live in Palestine, first of all to Israelis and Jordanians. And they will do all they can not to let the Arab Palestinian state appear because as soon as the state called Palestine appears, it will claim all the territory of Palestine by definition. And the lion´s share of the territory of Palestine are Israel and Jordan.
Do you remember how Jordanians, who are Palestinian Arabs, were killing other Palestinian Arabs of Yasser Arafat by dozens of thousands in 1973? Do you remember for what? For claiming that Jordan must belong to the “Palestinian people”.
Having got a kick from Jordanians, Yasser Arafat, Mahmud Abbas and the leaders of the Hamas decided to try to play the same trick on Israel.
Israelis are civilized people but they are not fools. And if they will have to choose between expulsion or physical destruction of Arabs and the destruction of Israel accompanied by the physical annihilation of the Israelis- what do you think they will choose?

The first step to the solution of the conflict must be the disappearance of the "Palestinian people". Such a people never existed , it is a propagandistic myth. But this myth makes the peace in Palestine impossible.


There are different people living on the territory of Palestine: Jews, Arabs, Kurds, Druzes...They speak different languages, they worship different gods, they live in different states. But they are all Palestinians. And nobody can pretend to be the "Palestinian people" because it immediately denies the "Palestinianhood" of all the others, and the next step will be

Answer 1

No,

It is the Israeli right wingers who think they can run away with more Palestinian lands through negotiations

Answer 2

It is true that there has never been a Sovereign state of Palestine in history. But you know what, New Zealand wasn't a sovereign state either, are you questioning the legality of Kiwis to not be part of Britain?

There are many countries that emerged when populations formed national identities out of 'thin air'. You are not going to convince around 12 million people worldwide that their national identity is a lie.



It is true, and I agree, that using a word from history that has very little to do with you in order to describe yourself is wrong. I would imagine if when Israel was created the name used was Palestine instead of Israel, and the Israelis were to be known as Palestinians, then the Arabs would find another name that would help them connect with that piece of land, such as Canaanites or maybe Seleucides, or maybe they would have adopted a different name from the history of the land, such as maybe Israelites?



As for languages, New Zealand, Canada, England, the United States, Australia and South Africa (partly) are english speaking coutries, all speaking the same dialect of English with different accents. I do not think language is a strong factor or argument of a distinct nation.



It is true that Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and others who immigrated to Palestine became Palestinians. For that matter, Jews who immigrated to Palestine from Europe and across the Arab world also immediately became Palestinians. To say that all Palestinians of today have been there for hudreds of years is a lie. And to say that Palestinians have more claim to the land than Israelis is also a lie.



I am not against the Arabs of Palestine forming a national identity, I do not like that they adopted the term Palestine to describe themselves, stripping everyone who is not Arab from this title and thus gaining support from the world in their struggle against Israel. We simply have to understand the difference betwen modern Palestine and historical Palestine.

Answer 3

yes, zionism, as a European settler-colonial project to confiscate land from the indigenous people of the "Holy Land" is the main obstacle to peace. Palestine probably wasn't perfectly peaceful, but much more so that it was after the zionists arrived.

Answer 4

It's not a myth, British are a combination of different languages, Belgium too. Canada has people from a variety of places. Why not let these people call themselves after the name of the area they came from? Just because there were never such countries as "Metis", "Cajun", "Celt" or "Acadian" does that negate the existence of such a people? It's ridiculous! They should have the right to call themselves whatever they wanted. Afterall, are modern Israelis descended from ancient polytheists and most definitely NON-Jewish, Israelites? Of course not or such a small fraction, as to not matter. Some of those living today were most definitely born in "Palestine" they used the "Palestinian pound note" as currency, their flag SAID Palestine RIGHT ON IT! They had Palestinian passports and ID cards. So why wouldn't they be "Palestinian"? Simply put, it's a way to dehumanize them so all the terrible thing done to them seem more palatable- afterall it really didn't happen, because they really don't exist. Mao did it, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler as well. It's a way for an otherwise normal people to do inhuman things to others.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

No my friend the real obstacle is the myth that our Israeli friends call ''the promised land''! Imagine how peaceful would it be if these religious fanatics never came to Palestine and started the so called Israel.



Palestinian people are genetically, historically and culturally connected to their lands. Our Israeli friends have none of that. Can you prove me wrong?



I hope that answers your question my friend

Answer 7

To answer you, I think the main obstacle is not the myth of the Palestinian people, but their desire to destroy Israel , her citizens and not want to recognize Israel as a legitimate state for the Jewish people.From the moment the Jewish People re-established sovereignty in their ancient homeland, they sought genuine peace with all of their neighbors. Unfortunately, their neighbors did not wish to share a peaceful existence with them. They, like Bin Ladin today, felt that they had a religious obligation to destroy the non-Arab/Muslim Jewish State (and, for that matter, ALL non-Arab/Moslem governments in the world). The Arab campaign against Israel is rooted not in any negotiable grievances but in a basic opposition to the very existence of Jewish sovereignty in what they perceive as THEIR Middle East! The ultimate intent of the Arabs is to separate out a Jewish history from "Palestine"... and then to separate Israel from the face of the Earth.



When the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) was formed in 1964, its primary goal was to destroy Israel. After the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, their goal became two-tracked: Either (1) destroy Israel outright (the same pre-1967 goal) or (2) the creation of an Arab-Palestinian state to be used as a launching pad from which to destroy Israel. Different strategies - same ultimate goal... a state not along side Israel, but IN PLACE OF Israel. It's really that simple!

Answer 8

Facts, not Myths are obstacles to peace.

Answer 9

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Answer 10

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