Question:
What are the prospects for peace and a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine?
water
2013-10-14 22:33:35 UTC
In Oslo Accords, there is the letter and spirit. The letter put a system of autonomy for Palestine, with limited sovereignty, in place. The mind, which called for a full reconciliation between the two peoples, could lead to a real peace agreement. It must have been the final negotiations supposed to take place five years after the signing of the Oslo Accords. The problem is, firstly, that the Israelis have interpreted these agreements in the most restrictive manner possible. They deliberately delayed the implementation of some points and refused, under the guise of security, to apply many others. The continuation of Jewish settlement in the West Bank and Gaza, fundamentally incompatible with the construction of a Palestinian state is the main violation of the spirit of Oslo.

By capturing almost 10% of the West Bank, the wall feeds resentment, frustration and preparing for the next conflict. As long as the demand for Palestinian freedom will remain unsatisfied, stability currently enjoyed by Israel will be precarious.

Basically, what has always lacked in the peace process is Israeli commitment to let Palestinians create a state worthy of the name. Not a rump state, as some drafts of agreements have considered, but a fully sovereign state with the same powers as Israel.

This is most of what remains to be done on the Israeli side. Beyond the issue of the settlement, the two main stumbling blocks are the division of Jerusalem and the right of return. No Palestinian leader will agree to sign a final agreement that does not guarantee its camp sovereignty over the Arab neighborhoods in the holy city.

For now, no Israeli government has shown its willingness to cede control of neighborhoods like Ras El Amoud, Beit Hanina, or Wadi Al Joz, where, paradoxically, the Israelis almost never go, to the Palestinians. And I'm not talking about the old city where the Palestinians could accept a special diet.

For now, Israel does not seem ready to make such concessions.
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TNO
2013-10-15 10:38:47 UTC
As of now, not likely. Maybe in the future, but the issues that Israel has, particularly regarding their safety, conflict with what the Palestinians refuse to budge on.



I believe that a lot of the Palestinian leadership is just to blame for Oslo's failings, if not more, than Israel. At least, Israel's leaders have always struck me as genuinely wanting peace more, whereas the Palestinian ones just go through the motions to get what they want.



I agree that the West Bank is restrictive BUT it shouldn't be a huge issue or a point to stop all discussion. Israel has said, repeatedly, that they'll likely dismantle a lot of them if such a peace with the Palestinians does happen, and even more so they've made it an open point to talk about. Many of them were already large and well integrated into the area by Oslo, so it's not like they couldn't avoid it anyway. I think that Palestinians using it to refuse to talk to the Israelis is more inhibiting towards peace, since they are already there and only through talking and some maybe be removed. If you want to talk about settlements and preventing peace, keep in mind that Israel did freeze all construction (so much that modifications to homes already there didn't happen, supposedly) and before the freeze was up Abbas finally reached out.... to ask more time. It had almost been a year.



Think about this - they removed themselves completely from Gaza. It does set a precedent that Israel will remove settlements for attempts at peace. However, due to hostile responses irregardless, Israel has been shown that "removing settlements" is not the answer to peace and other things have to be guaranteed before they let down their guard.



The wall's route is not along the green line because, to be honest, it can't always be on that line due to geographic concerns. Especially in Jerusalem, unless you want homes destroyed. It's existence is pretty much a Palestinian fault, though. Keep in mind this wall is NOT cheap, and while many point to the US and say that Israel is getting all this money, with that aid (that isn't all that much in the scale of things) you still have a huge drain on their budget that restricts them and prevents them from doing other things. They HAVE to protect themselves - that's how the majority of Israelis see it. It was simple to cross the boarder prior to it, but when people started dying the Israelis got fed up and built it.



Israel has been committed, since day 1. THEY accepted Palestine as a state, and if you look at those boarders, Israel wasn't really getting much out of it to begin with. Since then, they have been wary of violence against them but never flat out said "NO" to it. It's actually the Arab response to be silent and not talk, which was a strategy utilized against the Israelis for the longest time.



Jerusalem is a tough issue. For starters, there are places that the Israelis won't sign over either. The Western wall being the biggest, since last time it was under Arab rule no Jew was allowed to visit it. And the Mount of Olives, which was desecrated. I do think that those Arab neighborhoods that no Israeli ventures off to are worth talking about, but I think Israel is entitled to a lot more of Jerusalem than you probably think.



Also, "right of return". There are many issues with that, as in how many is Israel obligated to allow in, what criteria can they use refuse, why not go to Palestine in the first place, does Israel have the infrastructure to handle the largest numbers wanted, etc....



I personally think that Israel should be careful. Based on the attitudes of some of the people raised in the refugee camps, whose existence is admitted to be a maintained "open sore against Israel".. placing them in proximity with Israelis is a rather stupid idea. It will cause a deconstruction of society in many regards, especially if many are violent.
?
2013-10-22 21:18:56 UTC
Most Palestinians are skeptic about peace with Israelis.

If it comes there will be no land for them to live on .
Lucius Flavius Silva
2013-10-15 09:24:43 UTC
A resolution of most of the issues could occur in a day if the US simply forced Israel to be honest and stopped funding Israeli tyranny.



The perpetuation of this deplorable situation has virtually nothing to do with decisions made in the Middle East and has everything to do with American citizens not knowing the truth about Israel and the Israeli lobby.



Slowly Americans are learning the truth about Israel and this is a huge threat to the existence of Israel because when the majority of Americans understand the reality of Zionism they are not going to like any aspect of it.
ag318pun
2013-10-15 07:05:47 UTC
Just to get them to sit down at the table, Israel

released over 100 murderous prisoners. What

did the Palestinians do? Nothing. Every offer of

peace by Israel has been turned down and do you

know why? Its the same old story, kill all the Jews

and destroy Israel and nothing less will do.
Tom
2013-10-15 04:12:29 UTC
Incredibly low.



If peace was the goal for the Arabs, it would have happened by now. It would have happened in 2000,2001 or 2008 and there'd be peace in Gaza which Israel vacated in 2005 for peace.



Israel signed the Oslo Accords in the 90s, Arafat shredded them by not renouncing violence and starting rounds of suicide bombings and promote Islamic Jew hatred on official PA TV - something that continues to this day.



" The continuation of Jewish settlement in the West Bank and Gaza, fundamentally incompatible with the construction of a Palestinian state is the main violation of the spirit of Oslo."



There was nothing in the Oslo Accords about halting of settlements - either way Israel has offered to withdraw from and annex some settlements in gerous peace deals to the Arabs since 2000. Furthermore, Jews have lived in the West Bank for thousands of years, except from between 1948-11967 when the entire area and Gaza were cleansed of every Jew by Jordan and Egypt respectively.





"By capturing almost 10% of the West Bank, the wall feeds resentment, frustration and preparing for the next conflict. As long as the demand for Palestinian freedom will remain unsatisfied, stability currently enjoyed by Israel will be precarious."



the wall (most of which is an electronic fence) was erected because Muslims had been blowing themselves up in Israel. The fence is to keep out terrorists. Blowing yourself up feeds "resentment, frustration" What about Palestinians in Lebanon and other Arab countries, what freedom do they have there? Why are these "refugees" not squealing to the world like a bunch of crybabies?







"This is most of what remains to be done on the Israeli side. Beyond the issue of the settlement, the two main stumbling blocks are the division of Jerusalem and the right of return. No Palestinian leader will agree to sign a final agreement that does not guarantee its camp sovereignty over the Arab neighborhoods in the holy city."





There is no right of return.

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and if it gets divided and some of it is given to Palestine, London, New York will be the next cities to fall. Israel has offered compromises on Jerusalem in the past and as usual the Palestinians reject the offers.



Why should Israel make concession to people who have show nothing but bad faith? Did Israel get peace when they left Gaza in 2005 for "peace?" No! The Palestinians elected a neo nazi terrorist organisation, dedicated solely to another holocaust to govern them!





The two state solution should be Israel ------> Jordan (who's population is over 70% "Palestinian".) All the "Palestinians" have to do is hold elections to change the name of Jordan to Palestine and remove the star from the Jordanian flag
The First Dragon
2013-10-14 22:52:48 UTC
It is my prediction that this will be settled and peace established within about 20 years. It is impossible at this time, but times will change.
Shay p
2013-10-15 02:33:17 UTC
The Oslo Accords are dead, and the Palestinians killed them..... they are no more. They have ceased to be. They've expired and gone to meet their maker. Bereft of life, they rest in peace. They're pushing up the daisies. They are history. Off the twig. Kicked the bucket. They've shuffled off their mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible !

Nobody can seriously argue that Israel has not been committed to fruitful negotiations, or the painful concessions which they invariably entail. Generous offers of Palestinian statehood were forthcoming from Ehud Barak in 2000 and Ehud Olmert in 2008, and they were met with rejection on both occasions.





So prospects for peace are dreary - gloomy - dismal - desolate,,,,,,,



So like someone before me said........ 20 years at the minimum,,,,,,, more in my opinion...
?
2013-10-15 03:40:58 UTC
israel will never make peace with the Palestinians....... until it is too late....Then it will beg for peace......

The Palestinians ...The Arabs .....The Muslims....The World will not wait for israel for 20 years......

soon israel will regret the MANY LOST OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEACE........





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I wonder how could Palestinians makes with people like Tom ,shay p........

http://dotsub.com/view/be7a85f3-aa10-415b-8d1b-2c3ef46e6404


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