Question:
Does the creation of the "State of Israel" was Hitler's fault?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Does the creation of the "State of Israel" was Hitler's fault?
22 answers:
dalia
2008-03-16 14:48:00 UTC
it helped a lot,and i guess it contibute to it,but this idea,a homeland in plaestine was there 100 of yeasr befor
2008-03-16 16:59:15 UTC
Yes. Jewish migration to Palestine had dwindled 12 by 1928; the zionist experiment was deemed a failure; prominent American jews regarded them as crackpots. Then Hitler came to power and immigration soared to 36,000 in 1933 alone. Without the huge numbers of jews who poured in during the 30's it would not have been possible to establish a credible claim to governance. As to the post-war period every effort was made to create the false impression that the majority of jews in Palestine were European concentration camps survivors. The Jewish Agency also received a great deal of financing from the nazis throughout the 30's in the form of the Havarah or Transfer Agreement.
Zeno
2008-03-16 18:32:22 UTC
Yes. As Maya points out the entire zionist experiment was not only foundering badly but virtually on the verge of collapse until Hitler came to the rescue in 1933. As to their relations with Nazi Germany,consult a book called "The Transfer Agreement".
2008-03-16 18:56:37 UTC
Yes. Without Hitler the jews would not have been the object of so much sympathy that the world actually stood by and did nothing while they destroyed a nation and scattered a people,murdering millions in the process.
2008-03-16 07:48:41 UTC
Hitler was one of the main factor for Israel creation. To say no to that point of view you say no to any truth around you.
2008-03-16 03:43:57 UTC
If the nazi holocaust caused israel

then the israeli BABY Holocaust in Gaza should cause Palestine.

the answer is No,zionist terrorist were planing to steal Palestine long time before hitler.
J Q Public
2008-03-16 01:42:04 UTC
Your last sentence helps give your answer. There was talk about making Palestine a Jewish homeland before Hitler came to power. There were plenty of Russian Jews killed in WW2 and Hitler didn't have them killed.
tamarindwalk
2008-03-15 23:35:19 UTC
Well, Hitler wanted to rid the world - not just Germany or Europe - of Jews. So I doubt it. Especially as he sought (unsuccessfully) to get the backing of the majority of Arabs.



More likely the creation of "State of Israel" was a result of the machinations of the British. They should have re-enforced their mandate over Palestine and sunk the illegal ships to enforce their blockade.



Instead, they took what they could grab and ran, leaving Palestine in a divisive and dangerous state.
2008-03-15 23:59:29 UTC
zionism supported Nazi Germany's aims to expel all jews from Germany. Hitler was finished with the war, but zion made it out. The weight of blame must fall squarely on the shoulders of zion.
Pagan Dan
2008-03-15 23:43:37 UTC
By implying that the creation of the State of Israel was Hitler's (or anyone else's) "fault", you imply disapproval of it. Many people have strong feelings one way or the other regarding Israel--feelings that cover all the way from its right to exist in the first place, up to approval or disapproval of the decisions and activities of the Israeli government.



In other words, asking your question is a bit like asking a question about abortion--the answers people give arise from their core values as opposed to fact or truth.
2008-03-16 11:37:30 UTC
No Heck no!

You asked you got an answer, read well !



Historical background





Aliyah 1948-2000: by numbers and by source.

Mass return to the Land of Israel is a recurring theme in Jewish prayers recited every day, three times a day, and holiday services on Passover and Yom Kippur traditionally conclude with the words "Next year in Jerusalem." For generations, however, aliyah was associated with the coming of the Jewish Messiah. Jews prayed for their Messiah to come, who was to redeem the Land of Israel from gentile rule and return world Jewry to the land under a Halachic theocracy.





Pre-Zionist aliyah (1200-1882)

The number of Jews returning to the Land of Israel from the Jewish Diaspora rose significantly between the 13th and 19th centuries, mainly due to a general decline in the status of Jews across Europe and an increase in religious persecution. The expulsion of Jews from England (1290), France (1391), Austria (1421) and Spain (the Alhambra decree of 1492) were seen by many as a sign of approaching redemption and contributed greatly to the messianic spirit of the time.



Aliyah was also spurred during this period by the resurgence of messianic fervor among the Jews of France, Italy, the Germanic states, Poland, Russia and North Africa. The belief in the imminent coming of the Jewish Messiah, the ingathering of the exiles and the re-establishment of the kingdom of Israel encouraged many who had few other options to make the perilous journey to the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael).



Pre-Zionist resettlement in Palestine met with various degrees of success. For example, little is known of the fate of the 1210 "aliyah of the three hundred rabbis" and their descendants. It is thought that few survived the bloody upheavals caused by the Crusader invasion in 1229 and their subsequent expulsion by the Muslims in 1291. After the fall of the Byzantine Empire in 1453 and the expulsion of Jews from Spain (1492) and Portugal (1498), many Jews made their way to the Holy Land. Then the immigration in the 18th and early 19th centuries of thousands of followers of various Kabbalist and Hassidic rabbis, as well as the disciples of the Vilna Gaon and the disciples of the Chattam Sofer, added considerably to the Jewish populations in Jerusalem, Tiberias, Hebron, and Safed.



The messianic dreams of the Gaon of Vilna inspired one of the largest pre-Zionist waves of immigration to Eretz Yisrael. In 1808, hundreds of the Gaon's disciples settled in Tiberias and Safed, and later formed the core of the Old Yishuv in Jerusalem.



There were also those who like the British mystic Laurence Oliphant tried to lease Northern Palestine to settle the Jews there (1879).





Zionist Aliyah (From 1882)

In Zionist history, the different waves of aliyah, beginning with the arrival of the Biluim from Russia in 1882, are often categorized by date and the country of origin of the immigrants.





First Aliyah (1882-1903)

Main article: First Aliyah

Between 1882 and 1903, approximately 35,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine, then a province of the Ottoman Empire. The majority, belonging to the Hibbat Zion and Bilu movements, came from the Russian Empire with a smaller number arriving from Yemen. Many established agricultural communities. Among the towns that these individuals established are Petah Tikva (already in 1878), Rishon LeZion, Rosh Pina, and Zikhron Ya'aqov. In 1882, the Yemenite Jews established a new suburb of Jerusalem called the Yemenite Village in Silwan located south-east of the walls of the Old City on the slopes of the Mount of Olives.





Second Aliyah (1904-1914)

Main article: Second Aliyah

Between 1904 and 1914, 40,000 Jews immigrated mainly from Russia to Palestine following pogroms and outbreaks of anti-semitism in that country. This group, many of whom were infused with socialist ideals, established the first kibbutz, Degania, in 1909 and formed self defense organizations, such as Hashomer, to counter increasing Arab hostility and to help Jews to protect their communities from Arab bandits. The suburb of Jaffa, Ahuzat Bayit, established at this time, grew into the city of Tel Aviv. During this period, some of the underpinnings of an independent nation-state arose: The national language Hebrew was revived; newspapers and literature written in Hebrew published; political parties and workers organizations were established. The First World War effectively ended the period of the Second Aliyah.





Third Aliyah (1919-1923)

Aliyah to Israel and settlement

Between 1919 and 1923, 40,000 Jews, mainly from the Russian Empire arrived in the wake of World War I, the British conquest of Palestine; the establishment of the Mandate, and the Balfour Declaration. Many of these were pioneers, known as halutzim, trained in agriculture and capable of establishing self sustaining economies. In spite of immigration quotas established by the British administration, the population of Jews reached 90,000 by the end of this period. The Jezreel Valley and the Hefer Plain marshes were drained and converted to agricultural use. Additional national institutions arose: The Histadrut (General Labor Federation); an elected assembly; national council; and the Haganah. Few of these individuals left the country.





Fourth Aliyah (1924-1929)

Main article: Fourth Aliyah

Between 1924 and 1929, 82,000 Jews arrived, many as a result of anti-semitism in Poland and Hungary. The immigration quotas of the United States kept Jews out. This group contained many middle class families that moved to the growing towns, establishing small businesses and light industry.



Of these approximately 23,000 left the country.





Fifth Aliyah (1929-1939)

Main article: Fifth Aliyah

Between 1929 and 1939, with the rise of Nazism in Germany, a new wave of 250,000 immigrants arrived, the majority of these, 174,000, arrived between 1933-1936, after which increasing restrictions on immigration by the British made immigration clandestine and illegal, called Aliyah Bet. The Fifth Aliyah was again driven mostly from Eastern Europe as well as professionals, doctors, lawyers and professors, from Germany. Refugee artists introduced Bauhaus (Tel Aviv has the highest concentration of Bauhaus architecture in the world) and founded the Palestine Philharmonic Orchestra. With the completion of the port at Haifa and its oil refineries, significant industry was added to the predominantly agricultural economy. The Jewish population reached 450,000 by 1940.



At the same time, tensions between Arabs and Jews grew during this period, leading to a series of Arab riots against the Jews in 1929 that left many dead and resulted in the depopulation of the Jewish community in Hebron. This was followed by more violence during the "Great Uprising" of 1936-1939. In response to the ever increasing tension between the Arabic and Jewish communities married with the various commitments the British faced at the dawn of World War II , the British issued the White Paper of 1939, which severely restricted Jewish immigration to 75,000 people for five years . This served to create a relatively peaceful 8 years in Palestine while tragically The Holocaust unfolded in Europe.



Shortly after their rise to power, the Nazis negotiated The Transfer Agreement with Zionists under which 50,000 Jews and $100 million of their assets would be moved to Palestine





Aliyah Bet: Illegal immigration (1933-1948)



July 15, 1945. Buchenwald survivors arrive in Haifa to be arrested by the BritishMain article: Aliya Bet

The British government limited Jewish immigration to Palestine with quotas, and following the rise of Nazism to power in Germany, illegal immigration to Palestine commenced. The illegal immigration was known as Aliyah Bet ("secondary immigration"), or Ha'apalah, and was organized by the Mossad Le'aliyah Bet, as well as by the Irgun. Immigration was done mainly by sea, and to a lesser extent overland through Iraq and Syria. Beginning in 1939 Jewish immigration was further restricted, limiting it to 75,000 individuals for a period of five years after which immigration was to end completely. The British made it illegal to sell land to Jews in 95% of the Mandate.[citation needed] During World War II and the years that followed until independence, Aliyah Bet became the main form of Jewish immigration to Palestine.



Following the war, Berihah ("flight"), an organization of former partisans and ghetto fighters was primarily responsible for smuggling Jews from Poland and Eastern Europe to the Italian ports from which they traveled to Palestine.



Despite British efforts to curb the illegal immigration, during the 14 years of its operation, 110,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine.



In 1945 reports of the Holocaust with its 6 million Jewish dead caused many Jews in Palestine to turn openly against the British Mandate, and illegal immigration escalated rapidly as many Holocaust survivors joined the Aliyah.





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The Land of Israel, known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, has been sacred to the Jewish people since the time of the biblical patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Bible has placed this period in the early 2nd millennium BCE. According to the Torah, the Land of Israel was promised to the Jews as their homeland, and the sites holiest to Judaism are located there. Around the 11th century BCE, the first of a series of Jewish kingdoms and states established rule over the region; these Jewish kingdoms and states ruled intermittently for the following one thousand years.



Between the time of the Jewish kingdoms and the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the Land of Israel fell under Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Sassanian, and Byzantine rule.Jewish presence in the region dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Roman Empire in 132 CE and the resultant large-scale expulsion of Je
wolf
2008-03-16 19:52:29 UTC
There is enough historical and archaeological evidence that a Jewish state previously existed in that location . Amongst the Jewish people there has always existed a desire to return to that homeland which was enhanced by their continuous persecution . The slaughters during the crusades of the 12 th century. The Spanish Inquisitions in the 15 th century , Russian pogroms of the 18th and expulsion of Jews from many countries are just an example of their treatment prior to Hitler. Jews were also subject to universal oppression before Hitlers period . Apart from this, laws in almost every 19th century nation excluded Jews from many occupations and treated them as second class citizens. It is not a great surprise , given this troubled history that after millions of innocent Jewish victims were killed between 1942-5 that the call should arise for the creation of a state at a location where which they had historical and religious associations and presence. It is the rather the accumulation of thousands of years of persecution than the insane acts of one man which has led to the establishment of the state of Israel. You could argue that of all the nations on this Earth Israel has the most moral case to exist in terms of human rights and oppression of minorities. and that those who wish to take that right of nationhood and self fullfilment away are simply trying to continue with their old habits of persecution and oppression.
KILROY
2008-03-15 23:38:15 UTC
I think Hitler's actions probably did lead to recognizing a Jewish homeland but I wouldn't phrase it as his fault. If you want to think that way most of the strife in the world is the fault of colonial powers who drew lines on a map. Lots of examples of that in Asia, Africa and the Middle East.



Just a few would be India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran where lines were drawn on a map without regard to culture, religion or tribal affiliations.
2008-03-16 04:48:50 UTC
The Russians, under Czar Alexander, were responsible for the pogroms which led to the first great wave of Jews returning to what was known as Palestine in the 1800s. However, there have always been Jews living in what is now Israel. Even Moslem and Christian tradition acknowledge the births and deaths of Jesus of Nazareth, and Abraham, as Jews who lived respectively 2,000 years & 5,000 years ago in this part of the world! At times there were very few Jews, due to repeated occupation & re-occupation by a succession of conquering Babylonians, Byzantines, Ottomans, Romans, Mamaluks etc.



Those who claim Germany should bear all responsibility for Jewish immigration to Israel - because of the Holocaust - are not correct. These incoming Jews, mostly from Russia, Bulgaria and Romania, started clearing the land of swamps and malaria, scorpions, snakes & thistles, in the 1800s to revitalize the land.



The Jewish effort attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighbouring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there were, or those Arabs that immigrated into this area along with the Jews.

This contrasts with the actions of the governments of Morocco, Egypt, Iran (then Persia), Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon Syria & Yemen, who caused thousands of Jewish people to flee the homes that had been lived in by their families for generations. They ended up in pre-State 'Palestine'. (Even a cursory glance at the general Jewish population of Israel today, reveals a majority of dark-skinned Israelis, bearing testimony to their Middle-Eastern roots).
doodle
2008-03-15 23:35:58 UTC
It wasn't all Hitler and the Nazi's fault, but that definitely gave the final push towards the creation of Israel. The Holocaust caused Jews a lot of heartache and loss, and was a huge persecution, so they felt like they needed an Israel more than ever.



Shalom, Salaam
2008-03-16 00:52:59 UTC
Israel has always been the Jews homeland. After the diaspra it became harder to hold on to our land though. There was deffinitly some cause but Zionism was from a little before Hertzle
samsproudmommy
2008-03-17 06:13:40 UTC
the british signed the white papers, promising israel to the jews before hitler. although, yes, i think the whole situation helped along public opinon
MikeInRI
2008-03-15 23:41:36 UTC
Actually - the creation of Israel has more to do with Harry S. Truman than Hitler because Truman (then President of the United States) liked the idea of he being the modern version of Cyrus of old who gave the land of Israel back to the Jews.



Good Luck!!!
kismet
2008-03-16 13:35:02 UTC
Israel belonged to the Jews for 5,000 years. Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel for over 3,000 years. Jews have maintained a presence in Israel for about 5,000 years. The connection between the Jewish nation and Israel is neither random nor contrived, it is ancient and continuous!
Rossonero NorCal SFECU
2008-03-17 07:57:42 UTC
The "creation" (re-birth would probably be a better word, but anyway) was prophecied thousands of years ago and was going to happen Hitler or no Hitler.
2008-03-16 12:54:34 UTC
"fault?" No, not exclusively.



Am yisrael chai!!!!!! <3 ISRAEL
J.driven
2008-03-16 01:29:11 UTC
No it was God. Hitler was a plague.


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