Where were the "heroic palestinians", when Jews were fighting Romans?

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12 At Jerusalem he founded a city in place of the one which had been razed to the ground, naming it Aelia Capitolina, and on the site of the temple of the god he raised a new temple to Jupiter. This brought on a war of no slight importance nor of brief duration, 2 for the Jews deemed it intolerable that foreign races should be settled in their city and foreign religious rites planted there. So long, indeed, as Hadrian was close by in Egypt and again in Syria, they remained quiet, save in so far as they purposely made of poor quality such weapons as they were called upon to furnish, in order that the Romans might reject them and they themselves might thus have the use of them; but when he went farther away, they openly revolted. 3 To be sure, they did not dare try conclusions with the Romans in the open field, but they occupied the advantageous positions in the country and strengthened them with mines and walls, in order that they might have places of refuge whenever they should be hard pressed, and might meet together unobserved under ground; and they pierced these subterranean passages from above at intervals to let in air and light.

13 At first the Romans took no account of them. Soon, however, all Judaea had been stirred up, and the Jews everywhere were showing signs of disturbance, were gathering together, and giving evidence of great hostility to the Romans, partly by secret and partly by overt acts; 2 many outside nations, too, were joining them through eagerness for gain, and the whole earth, one might almost say, was being stirred up over the matter. Then, indeed, Hadrian sent against them his best generals. First of these was Julius Severus, who was dispatched from Britain, where he was governor, against the Jews. 3 Severus did not venture to attack his opponents in the open at any one point, in view of their numbers and their desperation, but by intercepting small groups, thanks to the number of his soldiers and his under-officers, and by depriving them of food and shutting them up, he was able, rather slowly, to be sure, but with comparatively little danger, to crush, exhaust and exterminate them. Very few of them in fact survived.

14 Fifty of their most important outposts and nine hundred and eighty-five of their most famous villages were razed to the ground. Five hundred and eighty thousand men were slain in the various raids and battles, and the number of those that perished by famine, disease and fire was past finding out. 2 Thus nearly the whole of Judaea was made desolate, a result of which the people had had forewarning before the war. For the tomb of Solomon, which the Jews regard as an object of veneration, fell to pieces of itself and collapsed, and many wolves and hyenas rushed howling into their cities. 3 Many Romans, moreover, perished in this war. Therefore Hadrian in writing to the senate did not employ the opening phrase commonly affected by the emperors, "If you and our children are in health, it is well; I and the legions are in health." 4 He sent Severus into Bithynia, which needed no armed force but a governor and leader who was just and prudent and a man of rank. All this qualifications Severus possessed. And he managed and administer both their private and their public affairs in such a manner that we are still, even today, wont to remember him. Pamphylia, in place Bithynia, was given to the senate and made assignable by lot.

15 This, then, was the end of the war with the Jews...
Roman History
by Cassius Dio, 229 AD
Book 69:1-23
http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-jerusalem-temple-mount-roman-history-cassius-dio-229ad.htm
Jews were fighting the Roman invaders- and where were the "palestinians" at that time?

Answer 1

Yes, the Jews are a native people, and today's Arab Palestinians are not.



Blueberkut: No matter how much I want us to compromise and live side by side by forgetting our harsh pasts. I do not hold the view of the majority, sadly.



But, a thought crossed my mind, we make the land like a gradiant. With the middle being those like me, who want to get together and live side by side as friends. The middle part can be a mixture of Jews and Pals (who both take an oath), here they will have the most benefits, aids and etc, to encourage the migration. The top north can be for the deep hard core Israelis who hate Arabs and want us all kicked out, they will be the equivalent of hamas. Then the radicals, hamas-like thinkers can be down south, they are the ones that don't want to live together in peace. The northern level (Radical Israelis) and the southern level (radical Arabs) will get little to no benefits, and will have alot of security. The number of people in the middle will helpfully grow and spread to the north and south, neutralizing the radicals. And hopefully when it grows, both radicals can be shipped out to bermuda.



This will give those that want peace and harmony, to have the chance for it.

I'm not saying this will work, it probably wont, it's just what came to mind when you asked the question.





OH && the Arab countries should give compensation to the Jews they kicked out.



Edit:

They WILL NOT unite. It's like asking Hitler and the Jews to cooperate. Besides, the radicals would be disarmed and under security.

Answer 2

The Jews never fought the Romans, the Judaeans did. The Judaeans are the ancestors of the Palestinians. Ioudaios were not Jews, they were polytheists who worshipped the Ugaritic deities of Canaan.

Answer 3

lol, because the Palestinians ARE the ancient jews



they are just converted to Christianity and Islam



@Edit



oh, i am sorry i forgot to add "later" they converted to Christianity and Islam



i forgot that some people i have to explain everthing to them

Answer 4

Obviously, it was once Jews that the Romans fought - no longer contemporary-day "Israelis" (the contemporary state of Israel is handiest sixty two years historic) and absolutely no longer "Palestinians." Indeed, it's my expertise, headquartered at the historical past that I have learn, that the Romans had cash minted when they had destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem - and on the ones cash have been the phrases "Judea Capta." And the very title of Palestine, which the Romans used (in Latin, of path) to designate the Land of Israel after the destruction of the Temple, was once derived from the title of the Philistines, an historic enemy of the Jewish individuals. On an exciting be aware for latest observers, the Arabic phrase for Palestine sounds plenty like that - "Filastin."

Answer 5

What makes you think that the Jews who fought the Romans are the same today's European,African or American Jews who stole Palestinian lands and not today's Palestinian Christian and Muslims?

Majority of Jews living in Palestine converted to Christianity and Islam.That historical fact was mentioned by many historians.



Jewish historian (Shlomo Zand) from Haaretz :



"There never was a Jewish people, only a Jewish religion, and the exile also never happened - hence there was no return. Zand rejects most of the stories of national-identity formation in the Bible, including the exodus from Egypt and, most satisfactorily, the horrors of the conquest under Joshua. It's all fiction and myth that served as an excuse for the establishment of the State of Israel, he asserts.



According to Zand, the Romans did not generally exile whole nations, and most of the Jews were permitted to remain in the country. The number of those exiled was at most tens of thousands. When the country was conquered by the Arabs, many of the Jews converted to Islam and were assimilated among the conquerors. It follows that the progenitors of the Palestinian Arabs were Jews. Zand did not invent this thesis; 30 years before the Declaration of Independence, it was espoused by David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi and others.



If the majority of the Jews were not exiled, how is it that so many of them reached almost every country on earth? Zand says they emigrated of their own volition or, if they were among those exiled to Babylon, remained there because they chose to. Contrary to conventional belief, the Jewish religion tried to induce members of other faiths to become Jews, which explains how there came to be millions of Jews in the world. As the Book of Esther, for example, notes, "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them."

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Zand quotes from many existing studies, some of which were written in Israel but shunted out of the central discourse. He also describes at length the Jewish kingdom of Himyar in the southern Arabian Peninsula and the Jewish Berbers in North Africa. The community of Jews in Spain sprang from Arabs who became Jews and arrived with the forces that captured Spain from the Christians, and from European-born individuals who had also become Jews.



The first Jews of Ashkenaz (Germany) did not come from the Land of Israel and did not reach Eastern Europe from Germany, but became Jews in the Khazar Kingdom in the Caucasus. Zand explains the origins of Yiddish culture: it was not a Jewish import from Germany, but the result of the connection between the offspring of the Kuzari and Germans who traveled to the East, some of them as merchants.



We find, then, that the members of a variety of peoples and races, blond and black, brown and yellow, became Jews in large numbers. According to Zand, the Zionist need to devise for them a shared ethnicity and historical continuity produced a long series of inventions and fictions, along with an invocation of racist theses. Some were concocted in the minds of those who conceived the Zionist movement, while others were offered as the findings of genetic studies conducted in Israel.



Prof. Zand teaches at Tel Aviv University. His book, "When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?" (published by Resling in Hebrew), is intended to promote the idea that Israel should be a "state of all its citizens" - Jews, Arabs and others - in contrast to its declared identity as a "Jewish and democratic" state. Personal stories, a prolonged theoretical discussion and abundant sarcastic quips do not help the book, but its historical chapters are well-written and cite numerous facts and insights that many Israelis will be astonished to read for the first time.



The mosquito from Kiryat Yam



On March 27, 1948, a meeting was held in Hiafa concerning the fate of the Bedouin of Arab al-Ghawarina in the Haifa area. "They must be removed from there, so that they, too, will not add to our troubles," Yosef Weitz, of the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund), wrote in his personal diary. Two months later, Weitz reported to the organization's director, "Our Haifa Bay has been evacuated completely and there is hardly a remnant of those who encroached our border." They were probably expelled to Jordan; some were allowed to remain in the village of Jisr al-Zarqa. The fate of the Arab al-Ghawarina Bedouin has recently made the headlines thanks to Shmuel Sisso, mayor of the Haifa suburb of Kiryat Yam. He has filed a complaint with the police against Google. The reason is the addition that one of the site's surfers, a resident of Nablus, attached to the center of Kiryat Yam in the world satellite photo, stating that the city is built on the ruins of a village that was destroyed in 1948, Arab al-Ghawarina. Sisso's complaint says that this is slanderous.



The facts are as follows: The lands of the Zevulun Valley were purchased in the 1920s by the JNF and by various construction companies, among them one called Gav Yam. The Zionist Archives have the plan for the establishment of Kiryat Yam, dated 1938, and a letter from 1945 states that there were already 100 homes there. Government maps from the British Mandate period identify the territory on which Kiryat Yam was built by two names: Zevulun Valley and Ghawarina. Thus it appears that this was not a settlement but an area in which Bedouin resided.



The Web site of the Israeli organization Zochrot (Remembering) states that there were 720 people at the site in 1948 and that the area was divided among three kibbutzim: Ein Hamifratz, Kfar Masaryk and Ein Hayam, today Ein Carmel.



This story has been making the rounds on the Internet and drawing responses, which can be summed up as follows: "If Sisso is suing Google because they stated that he is living on a destroyed Arab village, the implication is that he thinks this is something bad." Sisso, a lawyer of 57 who is identified with Likud and was formerly Israeli consul general in New York, says, "I don't think there is anything bad about it, but other people might think it is bad, especially people abroad, and that is liable to hurt Kiryat Yam, because people will not want to invest here. Since we are not sitting on a Palestinian village, why should we have to suffer for no reason?"



Moroccan-born, Sisso arrived in Israel in 1955. "I wandered around the whole region and I saw no trace of anyone's having been here before us and supposedly expelled." He asked an American law professor how, if at all, Google could be sued for slander or for damages. This, he says, is the contribution of Kiryat Yam to the struggle against the right of return (of the Palestinian refugees).



It could turn out to be the most riveting trial since Ariel Sharon sued Time magazine, but mayor Sisso has no illusions: "Me against Google is like a mosquito against an elephant," he said this week.



Who America belongs to



Two professors, Gabi Shefer and Avi Ben-Zvi, were guests this week on Yitzhak Noy's "International Hour" current events program on Israel Radio. The anchor, sounding slightly concerned, asked whether the achievements of Barack Obama show that the United States no longer belongs to the white man. Prof. Shefer confirmed this: Obama is an immigrant, he said. Prof. Ben-Zvi asked to add a remark: Gabi Shefer is right, he said. They are both wrong. If Obama were an immigrant, he would not be eligible to be elected president. He was born in Honolulu, some two years after Hawaii became the 50th state of the union."



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html

Answer 6

The Arabs/Palestinians fought with the Romans to get back Jerusalem that was stolen from them by the Jebusites, whom the Jews stole from the Jebusites.



Before the Jews invaded Jerusalem, the Arabs(West Semitic peoples) had settled Jerusalem- archaeologists, including Kathleen Kenyon, believe Jerusalem as a city was founded by West Semitic people with organized settlements from around 2600 BCE. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem



According to the Hebrew Bible, the Jebusites were a Canaanite tribe who inhabited and built Jerusalem prior to its conquest by King David in 1004 BCE.



Arab auxiliary troops joined the Roman legions besieging Jerusalem in the year 70.

The Roman historian Tacitus writes in his book, The Histories (Kenneth Wellesley, translator, Penguin Books):



The Histories, Book V:1



... Titus Caesar, who had been selected by his father, to complete the conquest of Judaea and already enjoyed the reputation of a general... received added support...

Awaiting him in Judaea were three Roman legions... the Fifth, Tenth, and Fifteenth...

Then there were strong levies of Arabs, who felt for the Jews the hatred common between neighbors...





... et solito inter accolas odio infensa Iudaeis Arabum manus...

Answer 7

see honey, both jews and arabs aren't the natives. Canaan's are.



you are a JEW, a follower of Judaism but that doesn't mean ur ancestors are the ones who lived in that land. maybe ur actually an Afgnaistani who's family converted to Judaism.



When i met you i directly said, Oh! cool a Pakistani jew, that's rare...

Answer 8

Do you have an inferiority complex, because it seems to me you somehow feel the need to put down the Palestinians all the time in order to make yourself feel better. Maybe you should get over yourself. Did it ever occur to you that people like you are the ones who make good and sure there is no peace in the Holy land? You are just too interested in being right, and being superior, and not concerned enough about being compassionate and caring of your fellow human beings. Personally I think that speaks volumes about you, and others like you.