Why do so many "native Palestinians" bear the surnames pointing at their Arab origin?

Question

Some very popular surnames between those who say they are "the native Palestininas" are Elmisri (Egyptian), Chalabi (Syrian), Mugrabi (North Africa). Even George Habash – the arch-terrorist and head of Black September – bears a name with origins in Abyssinia or Ethiopia, "Habash" in both Arabic and Hebrew.
How can a person with the surname "Egyptian", "Syrian" or"North African" pretend to be " a native Palestinian"?

Answer 1

Aargh. Ask this question of any Arab in Israel. They could easily answer.

Why? Everyone here knows the origins of the local Arab communities. For example, the Hebron Arabs migrated from Syria, while most of the Arab population along Israel's coastal plains is of Egyptian origin.



Over the centuries, there were several waves of Arabs passing through Israel, but, interestingly, very few of them actually settled here until the Jewish return to the Land intensified in the mid 1800s. The greatest numbers of Arabs began to stay --obviously, for economic reasons-- during the British Mandate period and through the establishment of the State of Israel. Among those who migrated were Egyptian peasants, Trans-Jordanian tribes, Kurds, Circassians, and Southern Syrians.

http://rslissak.com/content/arab-muslim-waves-immigration-palestine-land-israel-drrivka-shpak-lissak The Arab world may refer to all of these as "Palestinians", but each group is proud of its actual origins.

Answer 2

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Why do so many "native Palestinians" bear the surnames pointing at their Arab origin?

Some very popular surnames between those who say they are "the native Palestininas" are Elmisri (Egyptian), Chalabi (Syrian), Mugrabi (North Africa). Even George Habash – the arch-terrorist and head of Black September – bears a name with origins in Abyssinia or Ethiopia,...

Answer 3

That is due to the fact that there is in reality no such thing as a sub group of Arabs called Palestinians. Even Arafat who claimed to be Palestinians was born in Cairo of two Egyptian parents, served in the Egyptian Military, something that would have been impossible unless he was Egyptian, then suddenly in 1969 they all claim to have turned into Palestinians. I think one of Arafat's associates said it best:



Azmi Bashara was an Arab Member of the Israeli Knesset who fled Israel when charged with treason against the State. In 1994 he said "I think there is an Arab nation. I do not think there is a Palestinian nation. I think it''s a colonialist invention. When were they any Palestinians? Until the 19th Century, Palestine was the south of greater Syria."



Auni Bey Abdul Hadi who, in 1937, told the United Nations Peel Commission "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us. Our land was, for hundreds of years, a part of Syria." So, there is the link between the Arabs of the 1930s and the Arabs as recently as 1994.



Walid Shoebatt, who was a former PLO terrorist, acknowledged the lie he had been fighting for when he asked, "Why is it that on June 4th, 1967, I went to bed as a Jordanian and woke up as a Palestinian? We considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then, all of a sudden, we were Palestinians."



Even Yasser Arafat, the so-called founding father of the Palestinian cause, admitted in 1970 to Italian journalist, Arianna Palazzi, that "The question of borders doesn't interest us. Palestine is nothing but a drop in an enormous ocean. Our nation is the Arabic nation. The PLO is fighting Israel in the name of Pan-Arabism. What you call Jordan is nothing more than Palestine."

Answer 4

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Definition: A descriptive surname used to describe a red-haired person, from the Old French word "rousset" (from the Latin "russus") meaning red. Variations of this surname can be found in several countries and include: Reid & Russ (English), Rossi (Italian), Cerveny (Czech), Roth (German) and Flynn (Irish). My last name is Rousseau, I am also distantly related to Jean Jacques Rousseau. Interesting huh!!!! Strange though, as no one in my immediate family has red hair! We all have very dark brown hair! But I also know that my family immigrated from Wales starting in the 1800's. My great grandma came here from Wales in about 1910.

Answer 5

my maiden name was carpenter and it means: From the occupation, derived from Middle English carpentier (ultimately from Latin carpentarius meaning "carriage maker"). my current last name is Dempster and that means: Scottish, Manx, and English: occupational name for a judge or arbiter of minor disputes, from Old English dēm(e)stre, a derivative of the verb dēmian ‘to judge or pronounce judgement’. Although this was originally a feminine form of the masculine dēmere, by the Middle English period the suffix -stre had lost its feminine force, and the term was used of both sexes. The surname is not common in England, where the term was early replaced by Anglo-Norman French juge (see Judge), but relatively frequent in Scotland, where until 1747 every laird of a barony could have certain offenses within his territory tried by his dempster, and on the Isle of Man, where deemsters also played an important part in the administration of justice.

Answer 6

Palestinian Surnames

Answer 7

George Habash, a Palestinian Christian is obviously not from Ethiopia and a name means nothing.



Using surnames is not a good method to test how long a people have been living in a certain geographic place. Using genetic studies is a good method to test how long a people have been living in a certain place, though.



http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.source.php?sourceID=002240



'One DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim concluded that genetic evidence coincides with historical accounts that at least part of the Arab Israeli and Palestinian population is mainly descended from local Christians and Jews "who had converted [to Islam] after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century A.D." These Christian and Jewish converts are believed to be descended from a "core population that had lived in the area since prehistorical times.'



Yes, the genetic studies say it all. If you want to refute scientific evidence then by all means do that, but all you are doing is making yourself look like a fool.

Answer 8

i'm jewish but i like to be as objective as possible



most palestinians do not hold surnames like that, but the one's that do hold surnames like that doesnt actually mean they are from those places. what kind of world have u been living in? it is extremely common for people to migrate to different places. but that doesnt mean all their descendents are of the same ethnicity as them. they intermarry if you hadnt noticed. i have an american friend who has the surname Cohen but she is not jewish herself. obviously she must have had an ancestor who was a jew and broke the jewish tradition, married a gentile and raised gentile children. that is not abnormal at all. if we trace her family tree im sure she is like 1% jewish or something. in fact there is even a famous english rugby player called ben cohen who is not jewish, but does that surname mean anything?? no it doesnt



palestinians who hold surnames like 'el masri' most likely only have distant ancestry from egypt. there have been no evidence of mass immigration into israel/palestine from egypt, iraq, syria or anywhere else so there is no reason to think ppl with these surnames are anything but descendents of an individual who immigrated to what was then palestine and assimilated into the local society



genetic studies have shown palestinians and jews are brothers and sisters and that we share extremely close ancestry. palestinians are mainly descendents of jews who were forced to convert to christianity and islam, and adopted arabic language. this is why it is VITAL that we share this land and start to treat each other with respect and acknowledge our close ancestry and culture.



EDIT: John, do not try to be clever because you're not and you're not making any sense. Nobody is "pure" or 100% from one country. Everybody has some ancestry from somewhere else. If somebody has a surname Cohen they can even be only 1% Jewish, but you think they cannot be considered English just because 1% of their ancestry comes from somewhere else? You do not make sense whatsoever and clearly have no knowledge or experience of the real world.

Answer 9

Same reason for which Israelis carry such names as Klein, Gross or Grossman, Weiss or Weisman, Rosen, Schwartz or Schwartzman, Segal, Siegal or Sagal, and anything that contains berg, stein, man, thal or bluth.

Or:

like: Artist Camille Pissarro, boxer Daniel Mendoza, actor Hank Azaria and pop idol Paula Abdul

Or:

Mikhail, Boris, Gregory, Leonid, Efim, Lev, Iosif, Isak, Ilia, Mar,. Maria, Sofia, Anna, Raisa, Sarra, Rosa, Ida, Klara, Riva, Tsilia.



Long list babe! longer than you imagine!

Answer 10

There is no such thing as "race" Mr. Geneticist...Majority of Palestinian surnames showcase profession, e.g. Addabbagh yidbigh leather / Sarraj yisrij domesticated animals / haddad yhid metal / Al not "el"masry (Gazzan most probably) trades with Egyptians like prophet Joseph peace is upon him did. Another note, it is very likely there are non Palestinian Arabs to be found amongst the Palestinians because of borders since majority of Muslims and Christians are not ethnocentric like many Zionists are.



Now to ice my cake: "boats".

http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/judentum-aktenlage/migration/EncJud_migration04-illegal-immigration-to-Palestine-and-Cypurs-115,000-ENGL.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=7xCplF4jB70C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Exiled+to+Palestine:+the+emigration+of+Zionist+convicts+from+the+Soviet&source=bl&ots=vTci3vrcD7&sig=9DAEEUwLmv3cA5kXeTW7QVU9jLU&hl=en&ei=-xBHTOvTFMO88gbfrYmMBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAQ&safe=active#v=onepage&q&f=false



logic states that BDB's such as your ilk must return to

Russia or accept 67 borders and Right of Return.



"You could not have given better answer."

Then what are you waiting for! Seal the deal ;)

Answer 11

please take a look at a middle eastern map to see where palestine is located



http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/mideast-1930.gif



notice it is in crossroads of africa arabia caucasia europe east



the nations you mentioned existed for millenia



ashkenaz are self-proclaimed non-semitic eurasians

Answer 12

caz they r arabian, call themselve palestinian caz the location they live in. the palestinian live in palestine for 1ooos of years. on till the jews came stole their land.