Question:
Was 6,000,000 Jews dying Zionist propaganda?
?
2018-06-06 06:46:02 UTC
As someone who has learned about the Holocaust throughout school, and has cried watching Schindler's list, I would certainly like to hope not. But, I've discovered a lot of very unsettling things. Some of which made me feel ill. I physically felt nauseated after reading a few things. I went to my city's library so I could use a free archive. The first thing I found disturbing was even in 1940, Newspaper talked about 6,000,000 Jews being doomed to die if Nazis achieved final victory. The official holocaust story says the Nazis didn't start killing them to 1941.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/130112330/

But, I thought maybe it was just one weird coincidence that happened to be right. The disturbing thing, the 6 million figure is used even in 1900's. In 1906, the New York Times talked about Russians planning to exterminate 6,000,000 Jews, during the Russia polgrams.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20603068/

There's been Jewish relief programs going on forever. By searching keywords I was able to find around 15 newspapers all saying the same thing. The most disturbing thing I found beyond everything else was this book published in Palestine.

https://issuu.com/infowarbooks1/docs/gordon-canning---the-holy-land---arab-or-jew--1938

It talks about building up the 6,000,000 numbers in the 1938's. Read page 2, starting with (a). I think the zionist federations may have made it up.
36 answers:
Shay p
2018-06-09 22:14:53 UTC
Another anti Semite !!



Calculating the numbers of individuals who were killed as the result of Nazi policies is a difficult task. There is no single wartime document created by Nazi officials that spells out how many people were killed in the Holocaust or World War II.



To accurately estimate the extent of human losses, scholars, Jewish organizations, and governmental agencies since the 1940s have relied on a variety of different records, such as census reports, captured German and Axis archives, and postwar investigations, to compile these statistics. As more documents come to light or as scholars arrive at a more precise understanding of the Holocaust, estimates of human losses may change.



The single most important thing to keep in mind when attempting to document numbers of victims of the Holocaust is that no one master list of those who perished exists anywhere in the world.



What follow are the current best estimates of civilians and disarmed soldiers killed by the Nazi regime and its collaborators.



These estimates are calculated from wartime reports generated by those who implemented Nazi population policy, and postwar demographic studies on population loss during World War II.



Number of Deaths



Jews: up to 6 million



Soviet civilians: around 7 million (including 1.3 Soviet Jewish civilians, who are included in the 6 million figure for Jews)



Soviet prisoners of war: around 3 million (including about 50,000 Jewish soldiers)



Non-Jewish Polish civilians: around 1.8 million (including between 50,000 and 100,000 members of the Polish elites)



Serb civilians (on the territory of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina): 312,000



People with disabilities living in institutions: up to 250,000



Roma (Gypsies): 196,000–220,000



Jehovah's Witnesses: around 1,900



Repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials: at least 70,000



German political opponents and resistance activists in Axis-occupied territory: undetermined



Homosexuals: hundreds, possibly thousands (possibly also counted in part under the 70,000 repeat criminal offenders and so-called asocials noted above)



Jewish Loss by Location of Death



With regard to the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust, best estimates for the breakdown of Jewish loss according to location of death follow:



Auschwitz complex (including Birkenau, Monowitz, and subcamps): approximately 1 million



Treblinka 2: approximately 925,000



Belzec: 434,508



Sobibor: at least 167,000



Chelmno: 156,000–172,000



Shooting operations at various locations in central and southern German-occupied Poland (the so-called Government General): at least 200,000



Shooting operations in German-annexed western Poland (District Wartheland): at least 20,000



Deaths in other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps: at least 150,000



Shooting operations and gas wagons at hundreds of locations in the German-occupied Soviet Union: at least 1.3 million



Shooting operations in the Soviet Union (German, Austrian, Czech Jews deported to the Soviet Union): approximately 55,000



Shooting operations and gas wagons in Serbia: at least 15,088



Shot or tortured to death in Croatia under the Ustaša regime: 23,000–25,000



Deaths in ghettos: at least 800,000



Other*: at least 500,000



*"Other" includes, for example, persons killed in shooting operations in Poland in 1939–1940; as partisans in Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, France or Belgium; in labor battalions in Hungary; during antisemitic actions in Germany and Austria before the war; by the Iron Guard in Romania, 1940–1941; and on evacuation marches from concentration camps and labor camps in the last six months of World War II. It also includes people caught in hiding and killed in Poland, Serbia, and elsewhere in German-occupied Europe.



NOTES ON DOCUMENTATION



No single wartime document



There is no single wartime document that contains the above cited estimates of Jewish deaths.



There are three obvious and interrelated reasons for the lack of a single document:



1) Compilation of comprehensive statistics of Jews killed by German and other Axis authorities began in 1942 and 1943. It broke down during the last year and a half of the war.



2) Beginning in 1943, as it became clear that they would lose the war, the Germans and their Axis partners destroyed much of the existing documentation. They also destroyed physical evidence of mass murder.



3) No personnel were available or inclined to count Jewish deaths until the very end of World War II and the Nazi regime. Hence, total estimates are calculated only after the end of the war and are based on demographic loss data and the documents of the perpetrators. Though fragmentary, these sources provide essential figures from which to make calculations.



One centrally directed statistical study of Jews killed by German authorities survived the war. A copy was among the records captured by the US Army in 1945. Likewise, several regional compilations of such gruesome data were among the records captured by US, British, and Soviet forces after World War II. The US, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union have used most of these documents at one time or another as exhibits in criminal or civil proceedings against Nazi offenders
?
2018-06-09 17:13:38 UTC
No, because there is overwhelming evidence that the Holocaust happened which includes documents, the remains of prisoners, and the confession of the Nazis themselves.
2018-06-07 17:24:27 UTC
When I arrived at Dachau and collected samples of detritus on the walls and roofs of ovens whilst trying to avoid stepping upon the piles of putrefying skeletal dying and dead I said to my friend, "One day soon a mob of idiots will deny that such things ever happened".

Well?
2018-06-07 15:31:57 UTC
You should watch The Greatest Story Never Told..



It's on YouTube.
Mr.Anonymous
2018-06-07 14:51:41 UTC
It's been said that the First casualty of War is the Truth, & that History is written by the Victors,,,

But if anything can be said for the Nazis, they were meticulous record-keepers and Proud of what they were doing,,,

When the Allies discovered the Death-Camps with all the records still intact,even as the Nazis fled they didn't even bother to try to conceal what they'd been doing,,,

When General Eisenhower received the reports he knew that (in his words) it was all "Too Incredible" to be believed, & since the war was all but over the truth might easily get dismissed as negative propaganda,,

So, he ordered that all the records be preserved and everything that was found to be Photographed & documented, Statements were also taken & not only from survivors but also from captured Nazis,,Field commanders even forced neighboring local towns-people to enter the camps & look so none of them would be able to continue pretending that they didn't know,,,

The Holocaust happened Dumb-Cough! ,, & looking for excuses to pretend that it didn't makes you worse than the sickos that perpetrated it,, As evil as they were,,At least the Nazis of the time were proud enough of what they did to keep records of it for the sake of bragging rights since they expected to actually Win their war & instead of being judged for it they fully expected to be Celebrated,,& it's easy to imagine that they'd even be insulted that you'd rather believe some stupid Denier-BS than take 'Their' word for it,,,,
trurider t
2018-06-07 08:19:33 UTC
Believe what you like, it won't change History. There are still people in the world that believe that it is flat and like you they are insane. It happened and there is a mass of documentary records to prove it. The only people lying are people like you.
slugger
2018-06-06 18:39:09 UTC
all depends on who's doing the counting
?
2018-06-06 16:23:07 UTC
The basic maths was simple.



There were 9 million Jews living in Europe before WWII. This included about 3 million in the Russian Empire. It was never thought that Hitler would drag the Russian Empire into a war, so that put up to 6 million Jews at risk. This is where the 6 million figure in the newspaper article comes from.



It's basically a tally of the populations in each nation and, given the efficiency with which the Nazis could kill, ended up being an accurate estimate. And a horrifying one when you think about adding up the number of Jewish people on a continental scale and *that* summation being the final death toll.
Toni Parr
2018-06-06 11:34:28 UTC
You sicko holocaust deniers have been trolling for days.



Your not convincing anyone



And the only thing your proving is what utter loser's you are in life.
2018-06-06 07:01:03 UTC
March 20, 1933: SS opens the Dachau concentration camp outside of Munich.



Whatever troll.
?
2019-02-01 04:40:40 UTC
Yes it was propaganda used to create Israel.
?
2018-10-24 08:26:21 UTC
The Holocaust is an irrefutable fact. The evidence, of course, is overwhelming. The countless photographs (most of them taken by Nazi SS and military personnel), testimonies of survivors, and Allied liberators as well as from Nazi documentation media and their war-time propaganda films all prove that this mass Judeocide took place. Yet, there are a number of people that claim it was all nothing more than a hoax. These deniers call themselves "revisionist historians." Their express purpose is to alter documented historical fact. In the process, they turn scholarship into mockery, transforming truth into a make-believe fantasy spawned from unmitigated cynicism. They use the resulting misinformation to spread their anti-Jewish beliefs to the general public. Moreover, their theories, derived from blatant fabrication of data, misquotations, and quotations used out of context, are presented under the deceptive mask of scholarship and are made available to the world by way of the Internet, radio, and television. Although only relatively few fringe groups, propagandists, and pseudo-scholars embrace Holocaust denial, their activity is increasing and the potential for their influence to grow is evident. Therefore, it is incumbent upon all Holocaust survivors, historians, and those sincere chroniclers of the Holocaust to inform the world of the truth before the peoples around the world potentially fall prey, over time, to collective amnesia and adopt a romantic mythical view of the past events.

Denying the fact that the Holocaust occurred makes about as much sense as claiming that the earth is flat. It was the meticulous Nazis themselves who produced a large portion of the documents now available to anyone who desires to peruse them. They all point to the deniers' hypocrisy and make it plain that their claim to a "Holocaust hoax" is an unmitigated farce. Furthermore, contrary to the deniers' assertions, Hitler was fully aware of and did, in fact, order the annihilation of the European Jews. The facts of the Holocaust are so well documented in serious scholarly accounts that denial of Hitler's responsibility for the murder of the Jews is too preposterous to require refutation and argument.
?
2018-06-11 10:35:19 UTC
Hello,



I cannot verify your newspaper quotes (cuttings), however if you were to take the number of countries upon which the Nazis had set their sights for invasion and occupation, while also bearing in mind the Nazi attitude towards the Jews, it would be possible estimate a possible threat to Jews living in those threatened countries. (There would also have been a number of differing estimates of the numbers of Jews under threat, but the Asker chose not to mention those, and he can also spare us his "crocodile" tears.)



The estimate of Jewish casualties resulting from the Holocaust was made by the Allies at the end of the war.



The reader may find it interesting that anti-Semites choose to question the Holocaust or question the Holocaust by disputing its Jewish casualty figures, yet they do not question for example, other likewise well-documented facts like the Second World War!



Although due to anti-Jewish hatred, holocaust-deniers deny the holocaust despite the abundance of evidence to prove it, when the Nazi witnesses were giving evidence at the Nuremberg Trials, they did NOT deny the Holocaust. Rather, they simply matter-of-factly described all the details.



The Nazis were meticulous in keeping written records about the crimes against humanity they were committing, which were compiled by Nazi functionaries as they carried out their work. The majority of this abundance of paperwork-evidence was recovered by the Allies after the war:

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271



You may not be surprised that the Nazis wrote their meticulous records in German! Translations of many documentary evidence are available, but for German speakers here is an example:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/imt/ps2201-ps2400/2273-ps.php



The following is the “Bad Arolsen Archive - Digital Collections Online" webpage (to use it you need to enter a search criteria).



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“[It was] founded as a tracing service immediately after World War II to help reunite survivors with their families and clarify the fates of those murdered and those missing. Today, the ITS is also an archive and open for research.”:

https://digitalcollections.its-arolsen.org/



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The following is the “European Holocaust Research Infrastructure” Search Portal (to use it you need to enter a search criteria):



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“The EHRI portal offers access to information on Holocaust-related archival material held in institutions across Europe and beyond.”:

https://portal.ehri-project.eu/



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Germans Forced To View Nazi atrocities at Buchenwald Concentration Camp, Ettersberg, Germany, April 16, 1945:

The following film (of 2 minutes, 46 seconds duration) is free of charge to view - Just click its Start button located in the center of its screen; and I would also suggest you click its full-screen button. (The German civilians are seen starting at one minute, seven seconds into the video):

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675055292_Buchenwald-Concentration-Camp_German-civilians-walk_lines-of-dead-bodies_people-cry





Why were many Nazis tried at Nuremberg willing to give all the details when asked, rather than denying it all? Many were functionaries proud of doing their job "well" (as they saw it), and in obeying orders with which they in any event agreed, while simply having no empathy for their victims.



The following extracts of evidence concern the Auschwitz concentration camp, but there were of course many other concentration camps.



The following extracts also describe the situation at Auschwitz up to 1 December 1943, and bear in mind that the war did not end until 1945.



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EXTRACTS FROM the evidence of Rudolf Hoess:



Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 11



ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTH DAY

Monday, 15 April 1946



Morning Session





THE PRESIDENT:

Stand up. Will you state your name?



RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS (Witness):

Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Hoess.





DR. KAUFFMANN:

Yes.

[Turning to the witness] From 1940 to 1943, you were the Commander of the camp at Auschwitz. Is that true?



HOESS:

Yes.



...



Dr. Kauffmann:

And after the arrival of the transports were the victims stripped of everything they had? Did they have to undress completely; did they have to surrender their valuables? Is that true?



Hoess:

Yes.





Dr. Kauffmann:

And then they immediately went to their death?



HOESS:

Yes.



...



Dr. Kauffmann:

And then, you told me the other day, that death by gassing set in within a period of 3 to 15 minutes. Is that correct?



HOESS:

Yes.



...



COL. AMEN:

I ask that the witness be shown Document 3868-PS, which will become Exhibit USA-819.

[The document was submitted to the witness.]



COL. AMEN:

You signed that affidavit voluntarily, Witness?



HOESS:

Yes.





COL. AMEN:

And the affidavit is true in all respects?



HOESS:

Yes.





COL. AMEN:

This, if the Tribunal please, we have in four languages.

[Turning to the witness.] Some of the matters covered in this affidavit you have already told us about in part, so I will omit some parts of the affidavit. If you will follow along with me as I read, please. Do you have a copy of the affidavit before you?



HOESS:

Yes.





COL. AMEN:

I will omit the first paragraph and start with Paragraph 2:



"I have been constantly associated with the administration of concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 to 1 May 1940, when I was appointed Commandant of Auschwitz.



I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000.



This figure represents about 70 or 80 percent of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries; included among the executed and burned were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of prisoner-of-war cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men.



The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great Numbers of citizens, mostly Jewish, from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944."



That is all true, Witness?



HOESS:

Yes, it is.



Source for extracts from "Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Volume 11" of 15 April 1946:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-15-46.asp



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From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz.

Quoted in "The Good Old Days" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255:



“At another, later gassing--also in autumn 1941--Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B--as already mentioned--was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in. They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.”



* Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz



https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocAusc2.htm



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Perhaps this documentary by Thames Television in the UK, will also be of assistance to those who may wish to learn about the Holocaust:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x125kqg_the-world-at-war-ep20-genocide_shortfilms





Pages 1 to 88 are available to view from “The Good Old Days" by E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, at:

https://books.google.co.th/books?id=ACWKeRF49UYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+good+old+days&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYhp_qpc_NAhWJro8KHUaVAckQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=the%20good%20old%20days&f=false



Source for “France 24 English” report on Louise Pikovsky, a victim of the Holocaust:

"If I ever come back" France 24 English documentary tells the tragic story of Louise Pikovsky, a French schoolgirl who was deported and died at Auschwitz:

http://www.france24.com/en/20170331-reporters-france-louise-pikovsky-letters-schoolgirl-world-war-two-drancy-auschwitz





Additional:



I would also mention the Soviet casualties:



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"In 1993 a study by the Russian Academy of Sciences estimated total Soviet population losses due the [Second World] war at 26.6 million”:

(Please see the source which I have put into the “Sources” area of this answer.)



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We must not forget the heroic contribution of the Red Army in fighting the Nazis, and the sacrifices of the Soviet / Russian population, made in World War 2 - the Soviet Great Patriotic War.





I hope this helps.



Robert.
2018-06-08 06:39:28 UTC
They killed a lot. Even taking less lives would not cancel their crimes.

Soviets did too around that time. Mb a lot of crimes are to be recognized and still found.



They had it offcicially as 60% of 9mln total in Europe by the end of WW2. The holocaust touched a lot of ethnicities and social groups.
2018-06-07 17:57:20 UTC
Those Jews had been there for over 200 years, everyone in Europe knew that. The Nazis had already made known their desires of removing the Jews from the face of Europe one way or another. It didn't take rocket science to realize that the Jewish population was in grave danger or starvation at the very least. After the Germans took Poland in 1939, then parts of the Soviet Union in 1941 both the Jews and the Slavic population at large was in grave danger of starvation, disease or simply being worked to death, even if the camps never came into being.
?
2018-06-07 12:07:01 UTC
No. Holocaust denial is far right propaganda.
?
2018-06-07 06:26:12 UTC
As early as 1938/9 members of my family were hounded from their towns, had their properties consficated, burned down, many were murdered and gassed and burned( we have the evidence). The final numbers may never be known but it certainly happened and of course we haven't seen all the bodies as they were burned and buried. Anyone who does not believe this by now has theirs minds an eyes firmly shut.
Kevin7
2018-06-06 22:30:53 UTC
Six Million Jews and Six Million non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust of W.W.2, a proven fact based on a large amount of sources
?
2018-06-06 20:48:14 UTC
Here in Europe people are jailed for saying the Holocaust never happened...we never wanted these pesky Jews in the first place
capitalgentleman
2018-06-06 19:10:35 UTC
Not at all. In fact, some 11 million were killed, of which 6 million were Jews. This is fact, supported by the German's own records, as well as a great deal of other evidence.
Tarekul
2018-06-06 18:23:43 UTC
It's not correct
Tina
2018-06-06 15:34:02 UTC
Do you know I somehow doubt you came across this in the archives, and felt sick, etc. I have a strong feeling you found it on a one of those antisemitic websites. The fact was that six million Jews were in danger from the Russian and E European pogroms. Some fled abroad, but some went to Germany, where Jews had been settled for some time, and were beginning to be assimilated. But Hitler emerged, peddling vicious antisemitism and the lie of the 'Jewish problem' and those six million were in danger again. And this time they could not escape and they died.
2018-06-06 13:35:38 UTC
The figure of 6m was in the press (long) before the Holocaust began, even before the war began. That has frequently been used by deniers to claim that it must be false.



But, think about it for a second, if 6m were at risk before the war started, how many would be at risk when the war did start and a gang of murderous thugs who had for years publicly proclaimed their hatred of Jews (and homosexuals, gypsies, communists etc), were let loose?
Observer
2018-06-06 11:49:37 UTC
No what happened in Germany during World War II is not Zionist propaganda.
?
2018-06-06 07:33:48 UTC
It was a very large number. Probably no one knows the exact number, and six million may be an overestimate, but even if it was one million, such would still be a "holocaust".



The real Zionist propaganda is their dismissal of Jesus' sacrifice for mankind's sins, and their silence regarding scriptures like the ones below.



Jdg 6:1 The children of Israel did that which was evil in the sight of Yahweh: and Yahweh delivered them into the hand of Midian seven years.



Jdg 13:1 The children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight of Yahweh; and Yahweh delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years.



Heb 10:28 A man who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me,” says the Lord, “I will repay.”* Again, “The Lord will judge his people.”* 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
2018-06-06 07:29:13 UTC
heres,the sad part..yes it happened...but they always never mention the 10 million non jews who died...but i guess since their not jewish..who cares...its always just about the jews...or how about the 30 million stalin killed....oh but not jewish...sooooo who cares....sick world...
2018-06-06 07:07:29 UTC
Sure. My grandfather and the other 20,000 men in the 1st Army Division were liars.
?
2018-06-06 07:03:45 UTC
No. German's tend to be anal about keeping records. The Nazis CAREFULLY document the Holocaust. They were convicted on their OWN evidence at the in 1945/46. It REALLY happened.
Vincent G
2018-06-06 06:57:59 UTC
Do you dispute that 1.1 million people were exterminated in Auschwitz-Birkenau, 90% of them Jewish?



That is not 6 million, so that number should not be propaganda, no?



(Consider getting a life at some point. Really. Yours reeks of racism right now)
?
2018-06-06 06:52:54 UTC
maybe the the number 6 has some meaning in their religion such as 666



we have never seen 6 million dead bodies so who knows what the real number is and is very suspect that they would have the number chosen before it even happened.

learn more history and you we see who is behind all the lies, its the same people who run the media and started communism
2018-06-09 07:45:39 UTC
Real numbers do not exist, the numbers that are quoted are probably estimated numbers.
?
2018-06-08 10:09:33 UTC
"But, I've discovered a lot of very unsettling things"

no you aint- you been told a lot of things - but neither you, nor the people telling, you ever presented facts to back up what you were told

And I mean actual facts- not assumptions



the only point you are making for example are repeated references before the war to a specific number -

this number actually has nothing to do with the actual number murdered ,

fact 1 - nobody has an accurate figure of the number of jews actually living in europe or russia - they can only estimate

(right here today do you have an accurate number as to how many say chinese people live in the US?)



fact 2 - nobody has an accurate figure (say within 1000) of the number of jews murdered by the nazis



fact 3 - after the war europe and western russia was chaotic- Millions of people from different countries scattered all over the place as a result of the nazis moving people around as forced labour - I have no idea as an accurate figure how many displaced persons there were - but it must have been many many millions



All anybody can do is try to get an estimate from how many the nazis transported to the camps (the jews had to pay for their own transport to the camps and the germans made good accountants, cos they had to pay the railways for the trains), how many people were missing from each country after the war, and german records the camps kept)



The best estimate is that at LEAST 6 million jews were murdered



you got better figures or more sources of info, or a better way of getting an estimate then lets hear it - cos THAT would be evidence



Discounting the evidence we got AINT evidence unless YOU can show where the evidence is wrong



Just claiming its wrong cos you think it might be aint evidence at all - its just YOUR assumption



you want some actual evidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

which was a conference on how to increase the number of people murdered

result was the camps designated for extermination were enlarges (not all camps were "extermination camps")



Auschwitz capacity to get kill people was enlarged (the size of the "showers" was increased) and they built more ovens to get rid of the bodies - By end 1943 it had 5 ovens capable of cremating 2500 bodies/day
?
2018-06-07 14:53:52 UTC
Only nuts and dummies claim the Holocaust didn't happen.

Because only nuts and dummies don't know the Germans still have all their old Nazi records proving it happened:



"The 50 million pages stored in this central German spa town since the mid-1950s previously had been used by Red Cross staff to respond to inquiries about missing persons or the fate of family members, and later to document compensation claims. The gray metal shelves and cabinets contain 16 miles (25 kilometers) of transport lists, camp registries, medical records, forced labor files and death certificates of some 17.5 million people subjected to Nazi persecutions."

Link - http://www.semissourian.com/story/144046...



"The Bad Arolsen facility, spread over several buildings, began as a British Red Cross card index in 1943 and was used to reunite families beginning in 1946. It now has details on an estimated 17.5 million civilians killed or forced to leave their homes by the Nazis. It includes meticulous records kept at concentration camps by the Nazis and a complete postwar index of every non-citizen who was on German soil during the war years."

Link - http://www.dw.com/en/nazi-archive-in-bad...



And it's hardly the only such Archive there is:



"EHRI – the European Holocaust Research Infrastructure – provides access to rich information about more than 1,800 Holocaust-related archival institutions in 51 countries..."

Link - http://www.ehri-project.eu/online-portal...



Since you're obviously hell-bent on making a damn fool of yourself, care to explain which you are? A nut or a dummy?

Or can we have fun guessing?
Jr
2018-06-07 10:15:30 UTC
No
2018-06-07 07:35:19 UTC
I am kind of neutral on this one.



On the hand hand, you have very good points. The 6 million figure does seem like propaganda. And we all know Jews have a high social IQ- propaganda is naturally one of their specialties as a people.



However on the other hand, Germany DID exterminate many Jews. At least a million if not more. And extermination of a race is always wrong- whether they be white, black, Asian, Jew, Hispanic, etc.
2018-06-07 00:30:31 UTC
Some scholars have estimated that the number was much lower, around 2 million I think at most, based on the jewish population, how many left and how many were shipped to concentration camps. Notice that some people get annoyed when you even question the number, and because it is illegal in some places to question it, that in itself raises questions about whether somebody is hiding the truth.

Stalin killed 60 million people but Hitler is vilified much more that he is.


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